diff --git a/src/Discord.Net/Models/Member.cs b/src/Discord.Net/Models/Member.cs
index a9b6f1fd5..c4fbd4ba8 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net/Models/Member.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net/Models/Member.cs
@@ -184,11 +184,12 @@ namespace Discord
 				if (channel == null) return;
 				var channelOverwrites = channel.PermissionOverwrites;
 
-				foreach (var serverRole in Roles)
+				var orderedRoles = Roles.OrderBy(x => x.Id);
+				foreach (var serverRole in orderedRoles)
 					newPermissions |= serverRole.Permissions.RawValue;
-				foreach (var denyRole in channelOverwrites.Where(x => x.Type == PermissionTarget.Role && x.Deny.RawValue != 0 && RoleIds.Contains(x.TargetId)))
+				foreach (var denyRole in channelOverwrites.Where(x => x.Type == PermissionTarget.Role && x.Deny.RawValue != 0 && orderedRoles.Any(y => y.Id == x.TargetId)))
 					newPermissions &= ~denyRole.Deny.RawValue;
-				foreach (var allowRole in channelOverwrites.Where(x => x.Type == PermissionTarget.Role && x.Allow.RawValue != 0 && RoleIds.Contains(x.TargetId)))
+				foreach (var allowRole in channelOverwrites.Where(x => x.Type == PermissionTarget.Role && x.Allow.RawValue != 0 && orderedRoles.Any(y => y.Id == x.TargetId)))
 					newPermissions |= allowRole.Allow.RawValue;
 				foreach (var denyMembers in channelOverwrites.Where(x => x.Type == PermissionTarget.Member && x.TargetId == UserId && x.Deny.RawValue != 0))
 					newPermissions &= ~denyMembers.Deny.RawValue;
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net/Models/Role.cs b/src/Discord.Net/Models/Role.cs
index 153db05be..d6484a866 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net/Models/Role.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net/Models/Role.cs
@@ -45,6 +45,9 @@ namespace Discord
 			Permissions.Lock();
 			Color = new PackedColor(0);
 			Color.Lock();
+
+			if (isEveryone)
+				Position = int.MinValue;
         }
 
 		internal void Update(API.RoleInfo model)
@@ -53,7 +56,7 @@ namespace Discord
 				Name = model.Name;
 			if (model.Hoist != null)
 				Hoist = model.Hoist.Value;
-			if (model.Position != null)
+			if (model.Position != null && !IsEveryone)
 				Position = model.Position.Value;
 			if (model.Color != null)
 				Color.SetRawValue(model.Color.Value);