diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/BulkGuildChannelProperties.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/BulkGuildChannelProperties.cs
deleted file mode 100644
index 2358b2e2e..000000000
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/BulkGuildChannelProperties.cs
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,20 +0,0 @@
-namespace Discord
-{
-    public class BulkGuildChannelProperties
-    {
-        /// <summary>
-        /// The id of the channel to apply this position to.
-        /// </summary>
-        public ulong Id { get; set; }
-        /// <summary>
-        /// The new zero-based position of this channel.
-        /// </summary>
-        public int Position { get; set; }
-
-        public BulkGuildChannelProperties(ulong id, int position)
-        {
-            Id = id;
-            Position = position;
-        }
-    }
-}
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/ReorderChannelProperties.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/ReorderChannelProperties.cs
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..31f814334
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Channels/ReorderChannelProperties.cs
@@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
+namespace Discord
+{
+    public class ReorderChannelProperties
+    {
+        /// <summary>The id of the channel to apply this position to.</summary>
+        public ulong Id { get; }
+        /// <summary>The new zero-based position of this channel. </summary>
+        public int Position { get; }
+
+        public ReorderChannelProperties(ulong id, int position)
+        {
+            Id = id;
+            Position = position;
+        }
+    }
+}
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Guilds/IGuild.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Guilds/IGuild.cs
index 2ce9b48d0..b3367fab5 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Guilds/IGuild.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Guilds/IGuild.cs
@@ -56,9 +56,9 @@ namespace Discord
         /// <summary> Modifies this guild's embed. </summary>
         Task ModifyEmbedAsync(Action<GuildEmbedProperties> func, RequestOptions options = null);
         /// <summary> Bulk modifies the channels of this guild. </summary>
-        Task ModifyChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<BulkGuildChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null);
+        Task ReorderChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null);
         /// <summary> Bulk modifies the roles of this guild. </summary>
-        Task ModifyRolesAsync(IEnumerable<BulkRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null);
+        Task ReorderRolesAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null);
         /// <summary> Leaves this guild. If you are the owner, use Delete instead. </summary>
         Task LeaveAsync(RequestOptions options = null);
 
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/BulkRoleProperties.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/BulkRoleProperties.cs
deleted file mode 100644
index eacb6689d..000000000
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/BulkRoleProperties.cs
+++ /dev/null
@@ -1,15 +0,0 @@
-namespace Discord
-{
-    public class BulkRoleProperties : RoleProperties
-    {
-        /// <summary>
-        /// The id of the role to be edited
-        /// </summary>
-        public ulong Id { get; }
-
-        public BulkRoleProperties(ulong id)
-        {
-            Id = id;
-        }
-    }
-}
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/ReorderRoleProperties.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/ReorderRoleProperties.cs
new file mode 100644
index 000000000..0c8afa24c
--- /dev/null
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Core/Entities/Roles/ReorderRoleProperties.cs
@@ -0,0 +1,16 @@
+namespace Discord
+{
+    public class ReorderRoleProperties
+    {
+        /// <summary>The id of the role to be edited</summary>
+        public ulong Id { get; }
+        /// <summary>The new zero-based position of the role.</summary>
+        public int Position { get; }
+
+        public ReorderRoleProperties(ulong id, int pos)
+        {
+            Id = id;
+            Position = pos;
+        }
+    }
+}
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildChannelsParams.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildChannelsParams.cs
index 2bbb58ea6..f97fbda0b 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildChannelsParams.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildChannelsParams.cs
@@ -7,9 +7,9 @@ namespace Discord.API.Rest
     internal class ModifyGuildChannelsParams
     {
         [JsonProperty("id")]
-        public ulong Id { get; set; }
+        public ulong Id { get; }
         [JsonProperty("position")]
-        public int Position { get; set; }
+        public int Position { get; }
 
         public ModifyGuildChannelsParams(ulong id, int position)
         {
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRoleParams.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRoleParams.cs
index c3c20706b..287e1cafe 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRoleParams.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRoleParams.cs
@@ -10,8 +10,6 @@ namespace Discord.API.Rest
         public Optional<string> Name { get; set; }
         [JsonProperty("permissions")]
         public Optional<ulong> Permissions { get; set; }
-        [JsonProperty("position")]
-        public Optional<int> Position { get; set; }
         [JsonProperty("color")]
         public Optional<uint> Color { get; set; }
         [JsonProperty("hoist")]
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRolesParams.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRolesParams.cs
index 38c3fb646..0e816a260 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRolesParams.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/API/Rest/ModifyGuildRolesParams.cs
@@ -8,10 +8,13 @@ namespace Discord.API.Rest
     {
         [JsonProperty("id")]
         public ulong Id { get; }
+        [JsonProperty("position")]
+        public int Position { get; }
 
-        public ModifyGuildRolesParams(ulong id)
+        public ModifyGuildRolesParams(ulong id, int position)
         {
             Id = id;
+            Position = position;
         }
     }
 }
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/DiscordRestApiClient.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/DiscordRestApiClient.cs
index 2e404003f..afa4af9e6 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/DiscordRestApiClient.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/DiscordRestApiClient.cs
@@ -8,7 +8,6 @@ using Newtonsoft.Json;
 using System;
 using System.Collections.Concurrent;
 using System.Collections.Generic;
-using System.Collections.Immutable;
 using System.Diagnostics;
 using System.Globalization;
 using System.IO;
@@ -1049,7 +1048,6 @@ namespace Discord.API
             Preconditions.NotNull(args, nameof(args));
             Preconditions.AtLeast(args.Color, 0, nameof(args.Color));
             Preconditions.NotNullOrEmpty(args.Name, nameof(args.Name));
-            Preconditions.AtLeast(args.Position, 0, nameof(args.Position));
             options = RequestOptions.CreateOrClone(options);
 
             var ids = new BucketIds(guildId: guildId);
@@ -1061,17 +1059,8 @@ namespace Discord.API
             Preconditions.NotNull(args, nameof(args));
             options = RequestOptions.CreateOrClone(options);
 
-            var roles = args.ToImmutableArray();
-            switch (roles.Length)
-            {
-                case 0:
-                    return ImmutableArray.Create<Role>();
-                case 1:
-                    return ImmutableArray.Create(await ModifyGuildRoleAsync(guildId, roles[0].Id, roles[0]).ConfigureAwait(false));
-                default:
-                    var ids = new BucketIds(guildId: guildId);
-                    return await SendJsonAsync<IReadOnlyCollection<Role>>("PATCH", () => $"guilds/{guildId}/roles", args, ids, options: options).ConfigureAwait(false);
-            }
+            var ids = new BucketIds(guildId: guildId);
+            return await SendJsonAsync<IReadOnlyCollection<Role>>("PATCH", () => $"guilds/{guildId}/roles", args, ids, options: options).ConfigureAwait(false);
         }
 
         //Users
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/GuildHelper.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/GuildHelper.cs
index 195ae27d0..98303cea6 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/GuildHelper.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/GuildHelper.cs
@@ -75,23 +75,16 @@ namespace Discord.Rest
 
             return await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildEmbedAsync(guild.Id, apiArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
         }
-        public static async Task ModifyChannelsAsync(IGuild guild, BaseDiscordClient client,
-            IEnumerable<BulkGuildChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options)
+        public static async Task ReorderChannelsAsync(IGuild guild, BaseDiscordClient client,
+            IEnumerable<ReorderChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options)
         {
             var apiArgs = args.Select(x => new API.Rest.ModifyGuildChannelsParams(x.Id, x.Position));
             await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildChannelsAsync(guild.Id, apiArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
         }
-        public static async Task<IReadOnlyCollection<RoleModel>> ModifyRolesAsync(IGuild guild, BaseDiscordClient client,
-            IEnumerable<BulkRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options)
+        public static async Task<IReadOnlyCollection<RoleModel>> ReorderRolesAsync(IGuild guild, BaseDiscordClient client,
+            IEnumerable<ReorderRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options)
         {
-            var apiArgs = args.Select(x => new API.Rest.ModifyGuildRolesParams(x.Id)
-            {
-                Color = x.Color.IsSpecified ? x.Color.Value.RawValue : Optional.Create<uint>(),
-                Hoist = x.Hoist,
-                Name = x.Name,
-                Permissions = x.Permissions.IsSpecified ? x.Permissions.Value.RawValue : Optional.Create<ulong>(),
-                Position = x.Position
-            });
+            var apiArgs = args.Select(x => new API.Rest.ModifyGuildRolesParams(x.Id, x.Position));
             return await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildRolesAsync(guild.Id, apiArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
         }
         public static async Task LeaveAsync(IGuild guild, BaseDiscordClient client,
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/RestGuild.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/RestGuild.cs
index 0622df6ce..e4e970487 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/RestGuild.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Guilds/RestGuild.cs
@@ -114,14 +114,14 @@ namespace Discord.Rest
             var model = await GuildHelper.ModifyEmbedAsync(this, Discord, func, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
             Update(model);
         }
-        public async Task ModifyChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<BulkGuildChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
+        public async Task ReorderChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
         {
             var arr = args.ToArray();
-            await GuildHelper.ModifyChannelsAsync(this, Discord, arr, options);
+            await GuildHelper.ReorderChannelsAsync(this, Discord, arr, options);
         }
-        public async Task ModifyRolesAsync(IEnumerable<BulkRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
+        public async Task ReorderRolesAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
         {
-            var models = await GuildHelper.ModifyRolesAsync(this, Discord, args, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
+            var models = await GuildHelper.ReorderRolesAsync(this, Discord, args, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
             foreach (var model in models)
             {
                 var role = GetRole(model.Id);
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Roles/RoleHelper.cs b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Roles/RoleHelper.cs
index 0081351f0..d570f078b 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Roles/RoleHelper.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.Rest/Entities/Roles/RoleHelper.cs
@@ -1,6 +1,7 @@
 using System;
 using System.Threading.Tasks;
 using Model = Discord.API.Role;
+using BulkParams = Discord.API.Rest.ModifyGuildRolesParams;
 
 namespace Discord.Rest
 {
@@ -23,10 +24,17 @@ namespace Discord.Rest
                 Hoist = args.Hoist,
                 Mentionable = args.Mentionable,
                 Name = args.Name,
-                Permissions = args.Permissions.IsSpecified ? args.Permissions.Value.RawValue : Optional.Create<ulong>(),
-                Position = args.Position
+                Permissions = args.Permissions.IsSpecified ? args.Permissions.Value.RawValue : Optional.Create<ulong>()
             };
-            return await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildRoleAsync(role.Guild.Id, role.Id, apiArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
+            var model = await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildRoleAsync(role.Guild.Id, role.Id, apiArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
+
+            if (args.Position.IsSpecified)
+            {
+                var bulkArgs = new[] { new BulkParams(role.Id, args.Position.Value) };
+                await client.ApiClient.ModifyGuildRolesAsync(role.Guild.Id, bulkArgs, options).ConfigureAwait(false);
+                model.Position = args.Position.Value;
+            }
+            return model;
         }
     }
 }
diff --git a/src/Discord.Net.WebSocket/Entities/Guilds/SocketGuild.cs b/src/Discord.Net.WebSocket/Entities/Guilds/SocketGuild.cs
index be63f4da2..fb5d785c9 100644
--- a/src/Discord.Net.WebSocket/Entities/Guilds/SocketGuild.cs
+++ b/src/Discord.Net.WebSocket/Entities/Guilds/SocketGuild.cs
@@ -277,10 +277,10 @@ namespace Discord.WebSocket
             => GuildHelper.ModifyAsync(this, Discord, func, options);
         public Task ModifyEmbedAsync(Action<GuildEmbedProperties> func, RequestOptions options = null)
             => GuildHelper.ModifyEmbedAsync(this, Discord, func, options);
-        public Task ModifyChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<BulkGuildChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
-            => GuildHelper.ModifyChannelsAsync(this, Discord, args, options);
-        public Task ModifyRolesAsync(IEnumerable<BulkRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
-            => GuildHelper.ModifyRolesAsync(this, Discord, args, options);
+        public Task ReorderChannelsAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderChannelProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
+            => GuildHelper.ReorderChannelsAsync(this, Discord, args, options);
+        public Task ReorderRolesAsync(IEnumerable<ReorderRoleProperties> args, RequestOptions options = null)
+            => GuildHelper.ReorderRolesAsync(this, Discord, args, options);
 
         public Task LeaveAsync(RequestOptions options = null)
             => GuildHelper.LeaveAsync(this, Discord, options);